May The Force Be With You - SW Discussion Thread

Danke erstmal für die Buchempfehlungen.

Das ist der Wookiepedia Abschnitt zum Misstrauensvotum. Ich finde meine Erklärung eigentlich gar nicht falsch.

[...]Soon after, Palpatine was surprised to find the queen arriving on Coruscant, determined to rouse the Senate to her cause. One of Sidious's more trusted non-Sith agents, Kinman Doriana, who was present for these events, indicated—or at least believed—that the original plan was to use the occupation of Naboo, which they expected to last for months or even years, to create turmoil and paralysis in the Senate, which Sidious and his agents could have used to devastating effect.[15] The eventual goal, to lever Palpatine into the position of Chancellor, would likely have been achieved nonetheless, but more gradually. But Sidious was as capable at improvisation as he was at careful planning. He saw a new plan, one that would work far better than the first one.

The senator commands the monarch

Palpatine requested an audience with Queen Amidala in his apartments at 500 Republica to go over strategy. He had spent the last six months cultivating the queen's trust, knowing she would heed him better than Veruna would have. It was all for this moment, when, in a crisis, she had to rely on him. She came believing the Senate would help her, but Palpatine slammed the door in her face by announcing, with mock disgust, that the Senate was long past caring about the common good. Worse, the corruption scandal had weakened Chancellor Finis Valorum more than she had thought. Both the Senate and Valorum were closed off to her as options. That left her with nothing but the options Palpatine offered.

He gave her two: she could move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Valorum, and push for the election of a more effective leader, or she could take the matter to the courts. In offering her this choice, Palpatine risked nothing. Amidala had pinned her hopes on a quick resolution of the crisis. The longer Naboo starved under Federation occupation, the more of her people would die. If there was to be a solution, it had to be now. And the courts took even longer to decide things than the Senate. He had given her an option he knew she would never choose, could never choose.

So Amidala had to decide between working in the courts, while the death toll on Naboo rose to unimaginable numbers, or heeding her trusted Senator's advice. More specifically, she had to choose between Valorum or her homeworld. As expected, she chose Naboo. Only fourteen and still new to the throne, she had all the qualities of the great leader she would eventually become, but little experience. If Palpatine, who knew the Senate in ways she did not, said that Valorum had become an obstacle, that was enough for her.

The fall of Chancellor Valorum

The long-anticipated special session of the Senate—the last under the Valorum government—had only two items on its agenda: a hearing of the Naboo delegation's case, and a debate on the Trade Federation's continued opposition to BR-0371. Few expected it to be anything other than routine. Palpatine alone knew what was coming. He knew that the Federation's representative, Lott Dod, would stall the proceedings with every procedural tool at his command. He also knew that the vice chair, Mas Amedda, would keep Valorum shackled by procedure no matter what. And he knew that, in the face of an attempt to stall, Amidala would have no choice but to act as he had suggested.

During the session, Dod and his allies threw up objection after objection; Amidala, unable to even finish her plea, grew more and more frustrated. Finally, Dod moved that a Senate committee be created to determine if her "accusations" were valid, citing senatorial procedures that Amidala had no hope of understanding. Then, Amedda pulled Valorum aside, subtly forcing him to concede that Dod was within his rights. When Valorum then asked Amidala to defer her motion to allow the committee to do its work, it was the last straw. She saw with her own eyes that Palpatine was right—Valorum was ineffective—and she had nowhere left to go. Palpatine hid his satisfaction as, next to him, Amidala delivered the words that sealed Finis Valorum's fate.

"I will not defer. I have come before you to resolve this attack on our sovereignty now. I was not elected to watch my people suffer and die while you discuss this invasion in a committee. If this body is not capable of action, I suggest new leadership is needed. I move for a Vote of No Confidence in Chancellor Valorum's leadership."
Queen Amidala before the Galactic Senate in 32 BBY[src]

Valorum was thunderstruck, but by the time he could recover, events had moved past him. Senator Edcel Bar Gane of Roona seconded Amidala's motion, and the vote was on the floor. The Senate had waited for this for months, perhaps years, and so unpopular was Valorum that they fell on him with abandon, demanding a vote. It was all the Chancellor could do to postpone the vote until the following day. Palpatine already knew it would be a vote the Valorum government would not survive. It now remained only for him to ensure that he would be the one filling Valorum's shoes.[...]

Also hat Amidala ihm sogar noch in die Karten gespielt. Nicht schlecht.

Habe mir Szenen von Teil nochmals angesehen. Sidious war sichtlich überrascht, als der Vizekönig ihm von den Jedis erzählt hat, wuste aber genau, wie er nutzen kann (Die Invasion vorantreiben).

Was er gemacht hätte, wenn der Oberkanzler keine Jedis geschickt hätte, steht in den Sternen, aber sicherlich wäre die Invasion nicht so schnell über die Bühne gegangen.

Episode II...

Als Meister Sifo-Dyas die Klonarmee in Auftrag gegeben hat, wie konnte Darth Sidious davon erfahren? Kann er die Macht mehr nutzen als Yoda? Und was hätte Darth Sidious gemacht, wenn es die Klonarmee nie gegeben hätte? Die Seperatisten hätten die Schlachten von Geonosis nach zwei Minuten gewonnen, und der Orden der Jedi sowie die Galaktische Republik wären schon 22 VSY zerstört worden. Hätte er sich dan schon als Sidious zu erkennen gegeben, vor allen?

Die Klonarmee nutzt Sidious später als GAR, die gegen die Separatisten kämpft, was hätte er gemacht, die Klonarmee nicht in Auftrag gegeben wurde? Er wäre chancenlos gewesen die Seperatisten wieder loszuwerden.

Laut Lexikon wusste aber Sidious vor Tyranus von den Klonkriegen und beauftragte ihn dann, Sifo-Dyas zu töten und die Daten von Kamino aus den Jedi-Archiven zu löschen.

Gut, kommen wir zu den nächsten Fragen

Und was hätte Darth Sidious gemacht, wenn es die Klonarmee nie gegeben hätte? Die Seperatisten hätten die Schlachten von Geonosis nach zwei Minuten gewonnen, und der Orden der Jedi sowie die Galaktische Republik wären schon 22 VSY zerstört worden. Hätte er sich dan schon als Sidious zu erkennen gegeben, vor allen?

Die Klonarmee nutzt Sidious später als GAR, die gegen die Separatisten kämpft, was hätte er gemacht, die Klonarmee nicht in Auftrag gegeben wurde? Er wäre chancenlos gewesen die Seperatisten wieder loszuwerden.

Das wird es wohl sein. Ich habe nur gefragt weil ich wissen wollte, wie er ohne Klonarmee die Macht hätte ergreifen wollen. Meiner Meinung nach hätte sein Plan dann Fehler aufgewiesen, aber ich denke, dass er es auch ohne Klonarmee, wenn auch nur unter erschwerten Bedingungen, and die Spitze geschafft hätte.

Was hättet ihr anders gemacht?

Stellt euch vor ihr würdet im Körper von George Lucas stecken oder hättet wenigstens die Möglichkeite auf die Filme Einfluss zu nehmen. Wäre alles beim Alten geblieben oder gibts Handlungstränge etc. die euch ein Dorn im Auge sind und ihr sie am liebsten ganz anders gestaltet hättet.

Längeres Podracerrennen / Jar Jar Binks weniger "On-Air Time" / Mehr Dialoge / Mehr Rassen vorstellen / Mehr Seitenstränge

Meine Frage bezog sich eig. mehr auf eine Ändeung der vorhanden Handlung, z.B. sowas wie Obi-Wan hätte erst in Episode 5 sterben sollen weil...

Ja, auch wenn es unmöglich scheint, doch einige Charaktere von Episode I - III hätte ich auch gerne wieder in IV - VI gesehen.

Welche zum Beispiel?

Ohne bestimmte Reihenfolge:

Poggle The Lesser, Wat Tambor, Ki-Adi Mundi, Mace Windu, Watto, Even Piell, Sebulba

Hättest du die Charaktere gerne in den "alten" Episoden gesehen weil du sie dir in einer bestimmten Rolle vorstellen könntest oder einfach nur weil sie dir gefallen?

Original von Adrian Adonis
Ohne bestimmte Reihenfolge:

Poggle The Lesser, Wat Tambor, Ki-Adi Mundi, Mace Windu, Watto, Even Piell, Sebulba

Ich würde noch Kit Fisto und Plo Koon zu der Liste adden.