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- Nefercheperur - 29.05.2004
-Sie sind Freunde
-Der ausgang des ersten Fights,denn Ortiz will nicht schon wieder auf die fresse bekommen.
-UFC wird die zwei sicherlich nicht so schnell gegeinander stellen,da der Fight bei UFC 47 floppte gleich in mehrerer Hinsicht.
-Sie kommen aus befreundeten Dojo`s Team Punishment und Team Pitfight
-Ortiz braucht erstmal aufbau gegner,das dauert erstmal Jahre
-Es ist fraglich wielange Liddell noch bei der UFC ist,denn so wie sie ihn behandeln....
nur um mal einige gruende zunennen
- Snakebite20000 - 29.05.2004
freu mich drauf
Matt Hughes dabei, Shamrock dabei un nen HW Fight....das kann nur gut werden :=:
- AinsamerWolf - 02.06.2004
ich kenne zwar keinen einzigen von den Fightern, (doch
Shamrock kenn ich noch aus seiner WWE Zeit), aber
werde mir 100% diesen PPV auf Premiere reinpfeiffen.
Mal sehen, wie mir die UFC zusagt, und wie groß die
Unterschiede zur WWE sind.
- Nefercheperur - 02.06.2004
Von "unterschieden" kann man nicht sprechen.Mann kann nicht Hockey mit Soccer vergleichen,schockolade und eis, oder eben MMA mit Pro Wrestling oder gar WWE.
- AinsamerWolf - 02.06.2004
Hauptsache es werden gute Kämpfe sein. Nicht das ein
Kampf nach einer Minute vorbei ist oder so
Ken Shamrock Interview - Nefercheperur - 08.06.2004
Ken, can you tell us about Eric Paulson and what you think you were learning from him as a trainer? And how is his training different from your previous experiences?
Ken Shamrock: Everybody's training is different. We're doing a lot of core training with cables, you know, a lot more sparring, different techniques, different combos, grappling skills – just brushing me back up, getting me back into the swing of things -- just a different perspective on training is all it is. I trained around some great guys who then I trained, which is my style. I'm just getting different bodies and different people in there to shake things up a little bit. But I'm taking nothing away from my guys that help me train in Dallas because they are awesome and I would recommend anybody to go to them because they're top notch.
BoxingInsider.com: I'm happy you're 3000 miles away for this one -- after watching Tito's last two fights, some fans have said this is just evidence that Ken Shamrock is finished. Tito has been dominated by Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture. And you were dominated by Tito Ortiz, so fans are basically saying that this is more evidence that the older generation can't hang with the younger generation.
Ken Shamrock: Well, people can look at fights and say "Oh well, this guy beat this guy and this guy beat this guy". We can also look back at when Rico Rodriguez beat Randy Couture. And then Randy Couture came back and beat Tito Ortiz. You know, what are you going to say about looking at certain fighters that do certain things? People have bad days. There are things that I was trying to overcome and I wasn't able to. I've fixed those things. I have done some things to make me in better shape and a better fighter from where I was that last time.
I'm not trying to compete with the younger generation; I'm trying to compete with me. We'll see June 19 when I fight Kimo and I put Kimo away. After that I go after hopefully whoever's standing there, which I'm hoping I get…. Even though Tito lost this, I still would like to get that rematch with him and put an end to that myth of what this guy's saying, which is that the older guys compete with the younger generation. We can't compete to them head-to-head, but we can be smarter than them.
BoxingInsider.com: Because you're so popular and your tapes have been so widespread, people feel that you might be an open book when you play. How do you feel Ken Shamrock has or can reinvent himself to maintain an element of unpredictability in your fight game?
Ken Shamrock: Well, I think it's not about being predictable because obviously the last couple of times it's been enough to put a standup fight and there was no shooting and obviously very limited submission attempts. This time I've rounded my game off a little bit, gotten healthy -- and I'll go in there and I'll take whatever's given to me. But I can sit here and say almost anything I want but I guess the proof's in the pudding and all I have to do is get in the ring and just keep going. As long as I keep putting asses in the seats, people keep wanting to see me fight, I'll keep coming out.
BoxingInsider.com: A couple of fans have asked this: Ken, why are you training with (former WWE Wrestler) Steve Blackman for this fight as opposed to training with a top tier MMA team such as Teamquest or the Miletich camp?
Ken Shamrock: Well, I think that everybody needs to do certain things for themselves and I'm not just training with Steve Blackman. The fact is -- Steve hasn't been up to my school yet -- but when he does, he'll come up. Steve's an outstanding wrestler as far as shooting and getting in deep. Anybody who knows anything about training, it's getting several guys to work with you at your tired level and have them shooting on you when you're tired and different things of that nature. So Steve will come in and help me. He hasn't yet, but will -- just on takedowns, trying to get me to the ground. And you know, when you've got four or five guys working with you and making you tired, you just need guys in there to press you, and guys who are big and strong. That's what Steve's doing when he comes in. So Teamquest and these other people have their own people that they're training with, things that they're doing. I have the Lion's Den, which has been very successful for many, many years. There was a little tailing between the old generation to the new generation because I went in the WWF -- there was a five-year period between there. We have some young guys who are coming up who are pretty good but we're giving them some lower level events to build them up to the next level.
BoxingInsider.com: Is there a danger of training with guys who are your friends and who owe you and respect you -- such as the Lion's Den because they will never say, "Hey Ken, get your ass back in the gym for another 45 minutes of training"? Do you feel that might have been your problem in the past?
Ken Shamrock: Yes, though it depends on what you call "in the past." If you remember, I defended the UFC title four times. One time, two of the times back in the old days when there were no rules and no time limits, no judges, I'm handedly slammed Royce Gracie, Dan Severn -- choked him out, Kimo, Oleg Taktarov -- I was in a lot of fights where I didn't get a decision, where I basically manhandled those guys. I've fought in a lot of fights and I've trained with my younger fighters and taught them how to train, and then turned around and helped me with my training. So it's not to say I wasn't getting good training because I was getting good training. It's just that I needed some fresh faces -- a new look on things. Sometimes you've got to do that. It's like a football team, they get rid of coaches. It's not because that coach is not any good; it's just that they need new ideas, they need things to come in there and shake things up a bit. And that's all it was; that's all this is, is bringing in some new faces to shake it up a little bit. I've been doing this for a long time; I need some fresh faces and some fresh ideas. The guys that I train with are great trainers and anybody who wants to know that, just get with them and let them work with you and they'll show you. Just like myself: I still train people in the things that I do and it works. It's just that I needed to shake things up.
BoxingInsider.com: Ken, you were seen shaking hands and talking with your brother Frank at the show. We always get a ton of emails asking about what your current relationship is with him. Would you be willing to share what's going on with everybody?
Ken Shamrock: Frank and I, he's doing his own thing. A lot of what you hear in the press is just hearsay -- he said this, I said that. You just try and ignore those things. I know Frank has kind of done his own thing and I don't get into any of what goes on inside the press or what he said or anything like that. I've seen him; I hadn't seen him in a while. I was happy to see him; I gave him a hug, told him, "Hey, it's good to see you. I'm glad things are going great for you." And I left it at that because I'm not interested in asking questions or finding out whether this is true or whether that's true because it was a short period of time that I saw him. So I just made it a good thing and not a bad thing.
BoxingInsider.com: Finally, you've got a big media run coming up. You've got two months left between now and when you fight Kimo. What are you going to be working on in the next two months?
Ken Shamrock: I'm just going to be working on my basic stuff. I've been fighting a long time and I'm just brushing up on my skills and I'm going to get into better shape because I'm able to run and jump rope and do a lot of the core training. My conditioning is going to be back to where it should be because I can get in the road work and get in the jump ropes and the sparring and all the things I need to do without having to protect myself. I think that's my biggest change is going to be just my level of conditioning.
BoxingInsider.com: Kimo rocked Bob Sapp with a couple of hard shots when they fought in K1. Are you worried about being hit by Kimo?
Ken Shamrock: No, I'm not worried about anything. You can't worry about things like that. You've got to go in and fight your fight. Bob Sapp got hit; he got knocked down. I thought Kimo knocked him out and he won the fight. That's my opinion. I'm not Bob Sapp. I'm not as big as a house. Hitting me is going to be a lot more difficult than hitting him. My hands are quicker than Sapp's; I come straight in quicker than he does. My grappling skills are better than his. So Kimo's got a whole different person when he's facing me. Hitting me is going to be a lot more difficult than him hitting Sapp.
BoxingInsider.com: Is there anything else you want to say about Kimo?
Ken Shamrock: No, I just hope that he's training hard and that he brings his best game because I'm not looking for an easy fight; I'm looking for a good fight.
BoxingInsider.com: And after Kimo you're looking for Tito Ortiz, Royce Gracie… any other names out there?
Ken Shamrock: Royce Gracie, Tito Ortiz, Tank Abbott… those are the ones in mind. Got to get Kimo first so I'm definitely not looking past Kimo.
- Nefercheperur - 10.06.2004
Spence Johnston,UFC PR Director hat zwar keine zahlen genannt jedoch scheint das Mandalay Bay Center am 19 June fast ausverkauft zusein.Johnston rechnet sogar fast mit einem sold out.Das waere fuer UFC natuerlich Phantastisch.
Interessant dabei ist das UFC 47 Zuschauertechnisch absolut entaeuschte und das obwohl Liddell vs Ortiz der Main Event war und gehyped wurde wie kein UFC Fight zuvor.Nun wird UFC 48 mit Shamrock vs Kimo geheadlined.Und wenn man sich die Zahlen aus der vergangenheit anschaut,dann sieht man das Ken Shamrock fuer UFC der absolute Top Draw ist.Wenn Shamrock auf der Card ist war bisher jeder UFC Event ein Erfolg von den Einnahmen her.
Offizielle Wettquoten - Nefercheperur - 10.06.2004
Ken Shamrock -135
Kimo +105
Tim Sylvia -225
Frank Mir +185
Phil Baroni -155
Evan Tanner -155
Matt Hughes -170
Renato Verissimo +140
Frank Trigg -135
Dennis Hallman +105
Matt Serra -160
Ivan Menjivar +130
Georges St. Pierre -275
Jay Hieron +225
Trevor Prangley -275
Curtis Stout +225
Falls jemand das System noch nicht kennt.Hier meine erklaerung vom UFC 47 Thread.Es sei noch erwaehnt das der mit einem - als Sieger gehandelt wird als Favorit ist auf den Sieg und der mit einem + also der Aussenseiter.Trotzdem wer noch UFC 47 in erinnerung hat dort haben sogut wie alle "Aussenseiter" der Wettbueros gewonnen,was mir sehr viel geld einbrachte
.Hier also die erklaerung: Nehmen wir an ich will $100 gewinnen.Dann setze ich $185 auf Ortiz,weil ja die Quotte bei -185 liegt.Wenn Ortiz gewinnt habe ich bei meinem einsatz von $185 also 100 gewinn.
Bei Liddell muss ist die Quote +140 Das heisst ich setze $100 ein und gewinne dann $140 Ich habe also bei weniger einsatz mehr gewinnt.Der unterschied macht also das + und - zeichen.
HINWEISS: Fuer UFC 47 gab es ja ein Tipspiel.Besteht interesse fuer ein weiteres Tipspiel fuer UFC 48?
- Sharkboy - 11.06.2004
jop interesse :=:
Aenderung der Wettquoten - Nefercheperur - 16.06.2004
Die Wettquoten wurden nun nochmal geaendert zummindest bei manchen Fights.Grund ist das die meisten zum BSP bei Sylvia vs Mir auf einen KO Sieg von Sylvia setzten und das war denn wettbueros wohl doch etwas zu eindeutig.Bei den anderen Fights aehnlichen "Problem"
Hier die neuen Wettquoten fuer UFC 48.
Ken Shamrock -135
Kimo +105
(blieb gleich)
Tim Sylvia -260
Frank Mir +200
Phil Baroni -130
Evan Tanner -130
Matt Hughes -160
Renato Verissimo +130
Frank Trigg -135
Dennis Hallman +105
(blieb gleich)
Matt Serra -160
Ivan Menjivar +130
(blieb gleich)
Georges St. Pierre -280
Jay Hieron +220
Trevor Prangley -260
Curtis Stout +200
Fight Order - Nefercheperur - 17.06.2004
UFC gab nun die offizielle Fight Order heraus,wie man der Fight Order entnehmen kann stehen die Fightorder fuer Matt Serra vs Ivan Menjivar,Jay Hieron vs Georges St. Pierre und Trevor Prangley vs Curtis Stout noch nicht fest.
1. Phil Baroni vs Evan Tanner
2. Matt Hughes vs Renato Verissimo
3. Frank Mir vs Tim Sylvia -UFC Heavyweight Title
4. (swing Bout) Frank Trigg vs Dennis Hallman
5. Kimo vs Ken Shamrock
UFC 48 Payback News (Updates,Fight Order,Interviews und mehr) - Nefercheperur - 18.06.2004
-Ken Shamrock war vor einigen tagen bei der Pro Wrestling Radio Show zugast.Shamrock sprach zuerst ueber seine Knieverletzung die nun aber wieder zu 100% ausgeheilt ist.Die Knieoperation habe ihn 9 Monate ausser gefecht gesetzt,seinen ersten Fight habe er dann anfang May bei New Japan gegen Josh Barnett bestritten.Mit dem Match sei er recht zufrieden gewessen da er keinerlei Probleme mit dem Knie hatte.Dann kam Shamrock auf Kimo zusprechen.
Der Moderator fragte Ken ob es schwierig sei sich auf einen Fighter vorzubereiten denn man schonmal besiegt hat? Shamrock meinte es waere eine herausforderung,einen Fighter das zweite mal zu besiegen sei schwieriger wie das erste mal.Der letzte Fight sei 8 Jahre zurueck und Kimo habe sich enorm verbessert was seine submissionfaehigkeiten anbelangt.Er erwarte einen harten Fight denn er allerdings gewinnt.Auf die Frage was denn die Zukunft bringt fuer ihn meinte Shamrock,er lasse es auf sich zukommen will aber nochmal gegen Tito Ortiz antretten und vielleicht Royce Gracie oder Tank Abbott in naher Zukunft.Diese 3 stehen in der engeren auswahl.Wobei auch Chuck Liddell fuer ihn interessant sei,nur er denke das Vernon White bei UFC 49 einige ueberraschen wird und Liddell besiegen.
Interessant war auch als Ken Shamrock ueber Bob Sapp sprach.Shamrock zeigte sich verwundert das Sapp solange es ausgehalten hat und so hoch gehyped wurde.Denn Sapp habe nicht die faehigkeiten nur einen grossen Body.Er wuerde auch nicht unbedingt gegen ihn antretten wollen weil er nichts von ihm haelt.
Hier nun die letzten Informationen aus Las Vegas:
-Phil Baroni trainierte gestern mit Jay Hieron auf der Matte.Auch war Enson Inoue zusehen der Baroni in der Ecke stehen wird waehrend seinem Fitht gegen Evan Tanner.Baroni meinte nachdem Training "Ready to go. I can't wait for Saturday. I can't wait to knock him out."
-Tim Sylvia meinte heute ueber Frank Mir er sei ein guter Fighter mit guten Jiu-Jitsu skills.Doch Sylvia stellte die einstellung von Mir in frage.Sylvia meinte Frank Mir sei nicht besser oder anders wie Ricco Rodriguez und denn habe er gekillt im Octagon und das werde er auch mit Frank Mir machen,er werde ihn ganz einfach ausknocken.Er zeigte sich auch nicht besorgt darueber das Mir ihn zuboden bringt und meinte: "If he couldn't finish Wes Sims, he's not going to finish me." Tim Sylvia befindet sich nach eigener aussage 9 pounds ueber seinem normalen Gewicht,das will er jedoch noch bis zum Fight aendern.
-Matt Hughes auesserte sich nun ueber seinen Fight gegen BJ Penn bei UFC 46.Damals sei er "overtrained" gewessen.Er habe damals so hart trainiert das er keine Kraft mehr hatte fuer den Fight.Nun habe er sich viel besser vorbereitet und er werde Charuto zeigen was es heisst in der UFC zusein.
-Offiziell sind nun alle Fights bestaetigt auch von der Nevada State Athletic Commisson,also auch Tim Sylvia hat diesesmal das Go bekommen.Die naechsten drug tests wird es erst wieder nach den Fights geben.Damit wird die Card fuer UFC 48 auch wie geplant ueber die Buehne geben und kein Fight mehr geaendert werden wie bei UFC 47.
-Dennis Hallman kuendigte ebenfalls einen fruehen Knockout bzw eine submission gegen Frank Trigg an "This fight isn't going to a second round. Either he taps out, or knocks me out. I'm not training for 3 rounds, I'm looking at submitting him in the first or getting KO'd trying!"
-Die Wettquoten wurden die letzten tage einige male geaendert,hier nun doe Offiziellen und endgueltigen Wettquoten fuer UFC 48 Payback.Grund ist das die meisten zum BSP bei Sylvia vs Mir auf einen KO Sieg von Sylvia setzten und das war denn wettbueros wohl doch etwas zu eindeutig.Bei den anderen Fights aehnlichen "Problem" .Bei Shamrock vs Kimo zeichnete sich die letzten Tage eine klare aenderung ab.Noch vor 1 Monat galt Ken Shamrock als klarer Favorit mittlerweile ist die stimmung in las Vegas zummindest umgeschwenkt und viele setzen auf Kimo.Etwas aehnliches gab es bei UFC 47 als nachdem weight In viele auf Chuck Liddell setzten und nichtmehr auf Tito Ortiz.
Hier die neuen Wettquoten fuer UFC 48.
Ken Shamrock -200
Kimo +160
(blieb gleich)
Tim Sylvia -220
Frank Mir +170
Phil Baroni -170
Evan Tanner +140
Matt Hughes -160
Renato Verissimo +130
Frank Trigg -135
Dennis Hallman +105
(blieb gleich)
Matt Serra -160
Ivan Menjivar +130
(blieb gleich)
Georges St. Pierre -280
Jay Hieron +220
Trevor Prangley -260
Curtis Stout +200
- Nefercheperur - 18.06.2004
Heute ist das weight in und wie es aussieht scheint Prangley die groessten gewichtsprobleme zuhaben,er soll sogar schwierigkeiten haben in die 185 pounds klasse zukommen.
Habe im uebrigen nun $160 auf Shamrock gesetzt