The Hall Of Titles

[Adrian Adonis]

Juhu, ich wittere Erfolg Ja, sind erlaubt.

[The Crusher]

http://www.wrestling-titles.com/world/world-wm.html

Erfolg vermutlich nicht, da du die Liste wahrscheinlich kennst. Betrachtet man so den Hintergrund dieser Seite, dann ist das schon eine sehr gute Aufstellung. Beim Women's Title ist das ähnlich wie beim World Middleweight Title. Die Middleweight Division war vor 1930 auch stark zersplittet. Im Grunde würde ich mich auf die Hauptpersonen wie Burke, Mortenson, Byers und Moolah konzentrieren. Die Sanktionierung vom World Women's Title durch einen Promoter, setzte erst, wie in der Liste ersichtlich ist, ab 1932 ein. Nun es war der gute Billy Wolfe, über den dermaßen viel Unsinn geschrieben wird und wurde! Wolfe und Burke waren bis 1952 ein Team. Cora Livingstone ist so die Zeit dieser Zersplitterung gewesen. Livingstone war glaube ich sogar die Frau von Boston-Gigant Paul Bowser.

Nach dem Bruch der Wolfe-Burke Verbindung gab es dann eben zwei Lager: Wolfe gegen Burke. Wolfe hatte aber den NWA Kontakt und den größeren Kader. So war er also, bis zu seinem Tod 1963, der einzige starke Promoter, der diesen Titel kontrollierte. Bei Penny Banner 1961 steht was mit American Wrestling Alliance. Das ist die AWA der Doyle-Barnett Corporation. Nicht Gagne's 1960 formierte AWA in Minneapolis.

http://wrestlingclassics.com/.ubb/ultima...980#000001

Diese Sache hier kommt für mich etwas überraschend. Ich hatte nicht damit gerechnet. Müsste mich da mal wieder einlesen. Aber irgendwie müsste ich noch was haben über den Titel. Eine Auflistung gab's damals in den Newslettern nicht. Hat ja auch keinen interessiert. Vielleicht finde ich ja noch was. Du müsstest bei wrestlingclassics die Suchfunktion benutzen (eingeschränkt auf das Lou Thesz Forum ).

[The Crusher]

http://www.wrestling-titles.com/nwa/worl...ml#revived

http://www.wrestling-titles.com/us/awal/
Das ist die AWA in Bezug auf Penny Banner 1961. Nun sie existierte im gleichen Zeitraum, als gerade Gagne's AWA gegründet wurde. Barnett war schon vor 1960 in dem Revier dieser AWA tätig (Indianapolis). Durch Doyle kam dann auch Shire hinzu, der 1961 in San Francisco begann. Die Verbindung Doyle-Barnett gab es seit 1959.

[The Crusher]

Ich habe doch noch was zu Wolfe, Burke und Nell Stewart gefunden. Es sind drei Zeitungsartikel vom Oktober 1952:

Billy Wolfe
Mildred Burke
Nell Stewart

Stewart gehörte damals zu Wolfe's Kader. Der Artikel über Wolfe ist gut, was eigentlich eher selten vorkommt! Meistens wird über ihn nur Müll geschrieben. Ich glaube allerdings nicht, dass sie die Liste von wrestlingtitle hinreichend besser erläutern können. Über den Bereich des Women's Wrestlings gibt es eben, wie schon erwähnt, nicht sonderlich viele gute Quellen. Die Hauptlinie lässt sich aber dennoch gut recherchieren. Die ganzen anderen "Regentschaften" vor Cora Livingstone kann man eigentlich fallen lassen. Eine Verbindung aus den 1890er Jahren zu 1932 herzustellen ist unsinnig.

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[Adrian Adonis]

Brennend, jap. Würde mich sehr darüber freuen!

[The Crusher]

War dir die verlinkte Liste bereits bekannt?

[Adrian Adonis]

Grösstenteils ja, aber stehen auch einige Informationen mehr, die ich noch nicht kanne. Vielen Dank für die Links!

[The Crusher]

Der Artikel gibt mal so ein paar Eindrücke, wie wichtig Wolfe im Women's Wrestling gewesen ist.

Billy Wolfe
Oktober 1952

“Billy Wolfe, Impresario of Girl Wrestling is 55 years of age and was born on a farm in Davies County Missouri. Around the age of thirty, he was recognized in his home state of Missouri by the wrestling commission as the Missouri State Champion. While that is a small sounding title when compared to his fabulous booking business of today, Billy still cherishes fond memories of that title. At about this same period Billy was also Wrestling Coach for Amateur Wrestling at the YMCA in Kansas City, and had his own private gymnasium for training both men and women for professional wrestling. It was in this private gym that he trained and produced Mildred Burke, the present World Champion girl wrestler. Women wrestling is not a new thing as there are some islands in the Pacific, West of Panama, where for unkown centuries the native women settle certain disputies by wrestling each other. In the ruins of Tibet --- massive decaying walls of temples of another area --- have been found carvings on some of the walls near the top of buildings depicting women wrestling with each other. This proves for a certainty that women have wrestled for thousands of years, however, we do not know what the women of Tibet were wrestling for, whether it was for prizes or to settle disputies, but it proves without a doubt that they were interested in this athletic activity even at that early date.

When Billy Wolfe started training girls for professional wrestling, there were quite a number of girls throughout the United States who wrestled only in carnivals, circuses and on the stage in burlesque and vaudeville theaters. But no girls anywhere in the United States, or anywhere in the world where professional wrestling existed, were accepted or permitted to wrestle in the regular wrestling shows where men wrestlers performed. Billy Wolfe is one of the only man in the world who put girl wrestlers in the same auditoriums and on the same programs where men wrestlers were booked. Wolfe first convinced the Wrestling Commission of the State of Alabama that it was alright for girls to perform on regular wrestling shows. Then the State of Texas followed, with the Kentucky Commisson being the third state to okay girls. Most State Wrestling Commission were skeptical and in some instances it took several years to sell a State Commission on the idea. However, at the present time the Billy Wolfe Booking Office is booking girl wrestlers in 42 of the 48 states, in Western Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Puerto Rico and South America.

When Wolfe first started out he personally trained the girl wrestlers which he booked, but at the present time girls have are being trained for wrestling in many sections throughout the United States, Canada and Mexico --- that they can be accepted by the Billy Wolfe Booking Office for professional appearances. Throughout the United States, Wolfe will average having girl wrestlers in eight different cities every day of the week from Monday until Saturday, which is the largest wrestling booking business in the world owned and managed by one man. There are at present time some girl wrestlers in various parts of the country and other countries that are booked by other promoters, but it can safely be said that 95 percent of all booking of girl wrestlers in the United States and foreign countries is done by Billy Wolfe.”

[The Crusher]

Mildred Burke
Women’s Champion
Oktober 1952

“Mildred Burke, world wrestling champion, can best be described as the Pin-Up girl who pins ‘emdown - at $50,000 a year. In 15 years of wrestling, Mildred, born in Coffeyville, Kansas, birthplace of Walter Johnson, the Big Train of major league baseball, has never been thrown although she admits rugged matches in 43 of the 48 states, as well as in Cuba, Mexico and Canada.

The 33-year-old, 5 foot, 2 inch blue-eyed pioneer of girls wrestling says: “That while I started out to become an interior decorator.” She preferred to decorate her opponents with tough holds: “This sport got into my blood early. I wrestled men and women during the Great Depression and my first match was in Bethany, Missouri, before 300 persons. Times have changed since then”, says Mildred. “Gust Karras, the promoter then, would be amazed to see the crowds I draw today - averaging from 5,000 in smaller cities to 10,000 in the Coliseum in Mexico to 15,000 in the Boston Garden and the Philadelphia Convention Hall. I guess I wrestled some 200 men, all comers, in my time. It was rugged work, but my challengers today are just as spirited and even more tricky. There are about 100 girl wrestlers today, but I would say there are about 16 who can be classed as top notch wrestlers.”

Manager Billy Wolfe says Mildred wrestlers in the average of from 3 to 5 nights a week, 8 months a year. “She rests the other four,” says Billy. “Mildred has two homes in Los Angeles, both showplaces,” he says with pride. “One is for her and the other for her mother.” While the world knows of Mildred’s skill, few know her personal backround. Her mother, Mrs. Bertha E. Bliss, lives next door to her in Los Angeles. She is 75 years of age. “I own my success to her,” says Mildred. “She is a clear, sound thinker. When I told her I was going to drop interior decorating for wrestling she advised: “If you do that, put your heart into it.’ --- I guess I did. I’ve been champion for 13 years, a title I earned in a Columbus, Ohio tournament sponsored by the Mid-West Wrestling Association. There were 15 girls entered. In the finals, I defeated Edna Bancroft to win a belt that weights 15 pounds and is 24 karat gold, containing 7 diamonds, 4 sapphires and 6 amethysts. I always wear it before a match,” says Mildred.

While not athletes, Mildred is also proud of her three sisters. “All are ordained ministers in the Four Square Gospel in California. They are Mrs. Edna Newell, Mrs. Flora Bingham and Mrs. Marie Butcher. I am a Baptist, myself. My brother, Louis, used to be organist for Aimee Semple McPherson. He was Norma Shearer’s secretary at one time, too. Today, he is an engineer,” commented Mildred, who has a 14-years-old son, Joseph, who attends John Muir, Junior High School in Los Angeles. Although she has never appeared in England, Australia or South Africa, Mildred says “she gets a ton of mail a year. I average at least 1,000 letters from girls who want to wrestle.”

The Pin-Up girl who pins ‘emdown has a waist of a musical comedy star and build of a female Atlas. “Frankly, I was 150 pounds when I started to wrestle. Today I average 130, net. Wrestling is great for woman. It keeps one agile and one’s mind alert. Of course, the earnings are interesting, too. That’s why I hear from so many girls each year. Those who make the grade become sound businesswomen, in property, in investments, in clothes and jewelry. I know several competitors who own businesses. Now, what secretary can make those claims?” says Mildred Burke."

[Adrian Adonis]

Vielen Dank für beide Artikel, Ronald!